Tuesday, October 09, 2007

AFCSM: Digest Number 2413

Messages In This Digest (11 Messages)

1.1.
Re: Hammers From: Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)
1.2.
Re: Hammers From: eplcg@streamyx.com
2a.
Re: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland From: Ridhuan, Ahmad
2b.
Re: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland From: Ahmad Kama Muhammad
2c.
Re: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland From: ggooofffyy
2d.
Balasan: RE: AFCSM: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland From: Mahendran Velu
2e.
Re: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland From: ggooofffyy
2f.
Re: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland From: Yihfen
2g.
Re: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland From: Azril Isha
3.1.
Re: Worst Arsenal Player From: Berg Battusai
4.
au revoir From: piss_baron

Messages

1.1.

Re: Hammers

Posted by: "Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)" choong.chee.chew@dhl.com   beandybean

Mon Oct 8, 2007 4:36 am (PST)

Yeah and heres my list

Of course during Arsene reign there are many not performer in and out
but here are the 2 i dim worse

1 Aliadiare - i think he wont even shine if playing in the M League.
2 Adebayor - and i never seen any striker (Arsenal) ever miss more
chance than he does.

above 2 combination the reason of our failure last season.


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From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of K. Anand
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:55 PM
To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: AFCSM: Hammers

Actually, it had been previously recognised that the worst player in an
Arsenal shirt was Gus Caesar! :-)

Remember the 3-2 loss to Luton Town in 1988 Littlewoods (League) Cup
final? We were 2-1 up at one point. But thanks to good 'ol Gus, our
fortunes turned and we couldnt win back-to-back League Cups. We beat
Liverpool 2-1 in the 1987 final.

I would disagree on any one being a 'worst player' ever candidate in
Wenger's reign. Because if he selected them, then they should be good
enough, but they just happened to have had more than a few bad moments.
But the quality of the Premiership is far and above what the First
Division was 20 years ago.

BTW, if you want to talk about strikers as worst player, Franny Jeffers
did not do too badly. There is another . . . (cue, sombre music from
Star Wars) . . . his name (which would be belieavable as a name from
Star Wars) - Kaba Diawara.

Came into the team in the second half of the season, and never scored a
goal, I think. It was in either in 1999 or 2000. Can anyone confirm?

Anyway, if you want to talk about strictly in the past 11 years under
Wenger, then Jeffers, Diawara, Cygan, Stepanov, Grimandi, Stephen
Hughes, Ray Parlour and Gilberto would all be candidates. I liked
Luzhny.

And yes, I did include Parlour and Gilberto. Now, you tell me why they
are not that bad. :-) Don't you just love controversial postings like
this . . . but hey, it's my opinion. ;-)

Thanks.

Take care and God bless.
Regards,
Anand

Dinesh Nair <dinesh@alphaque.com <mailto:dinesh%40alphaque.com> > wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:12:02 +0800, Anandan, Kaviraj wrote:

> I know that there can be only 1 worst player, but I have a few
> candidates to fill that pretigious position.
>
> 1. Franny "fox in the box" jeffers
> 2. Oleg Luzhny
> 3. Igor Stepanov

4. Pascal Cygan

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1.2.

Re: Hammers

Posted by: "eplcg@streamyx.com" eplcg@streamyx.com   a_nizam57

Mon Oct 8, 2007 4:37 am (PST)

HI Guys,

What a game last night it really nearly kills me thinking we could not pick up 3 points at home to sunderland thanks to VP and Walcott. Anyway in general we did well accept that I think some of the players look tired.

Next Week is international week man thats gonna be boring....but in three weeks time its gonna be liverfool and then manure....how exciting is that 2 weeks in a row.....if we pick up 6 points from this I'll bet my ass Arsenal will be the Champions.

OK Lastly to all our Muslim Brothers

             SELAMAT HARI RAYA AIDILFITRI DAN MAAF ZAHIR DAN BATIN

regards
Nizam
LONG LIVE THE GUNNERS.....hail THE KING CESC

----- Original Message -----
From: Kar Heng Chew <karheng83@hotmail.com>
Date: Monday, October 8, 2007 2:21 pm
Subject: RE: AFCSM: Hammers
To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com

>
> Don't know about this Gus Caesar guy, but i do know that we had
> a wonderful team in 88 -90, only liverpool were
> same/better...i'm not that old! jk anand! haha
>  
> I like Luzhny too, he could play anywhere at the back, very
> vital as a cover player and very reliable... And Grimandi,
> despite being horrible, was one of the players you could trust
> to defend ugly, and cover any position in defence! Wenger always
> likes some flexible players, nevermind skill. Parlour was also
> in this sort of position, being able to play in Right wing or
> centre midfield and occasionaly right back if needed..
>  
> I believe Wenger builds his teams this way. There are the bricks
> - the key players/one position players..and there is the cement -
> the utility players/multiple positions.
>  
> I believe players such as Parlour has always been vital to
> Arsenal's contribution. That role is now being taken by Mattheu
> Flamini..=P 
>  
>  
>  
>
>
> To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.comFrom:
> anand_k_pillai@yahoo.co.ukDate: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:55:05
> +0100Subject: Re: AFCSM: Hammers
>
>
>
>
> Actually, it had been previously recognised that the worst
> player in an Arsenal shirt was Gus Caesar! :-) Remember the 3-2
> loss to Luton Town in 1988 Littlewoods (League) Cup final? We
> were 2-1 up at one point. But thanks to good 'ol Gus, our
> fortunes turned and we couldnt win back-to-back League Cups. We
> beat Liverpool 2-1 in the 1987 final.I would disagree on any one
> being a 'worst player' ever candidate in Wenger's reign. Because
> if he selected them, then they should be good enough, but they
> just happened to have had more than a few bad moments. But the
> quality of the Premiership is far and above what the First
> Division was 20 years ago.BTW, if you want to talk about
> strikers as worst player, Franny Jeffers did not do too badly.
> There is another . . . (cue, sombre music from Star Wars) . . .
> his name (which would be belieavable as a name from Star Wars) -
> Kaba Diawara.Came into the team in the second half of the
> season, and never scored a goal, I think. It was in either in
> 1999 or
>
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2a.

Re: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland

Posted by: "Ridhuan, Ahmad" mad_redo1@yahoo.com   mad_redo1

Mon Oct 8, 2007 4:38 am (PST)

To say Almunia got his positioning wrong was unfair.

He just got up from making a wonderful block against Jones. The rebound
fell to Miller in the centre, thus his positioning in correct. It just
that he was caught flat-footed with the effort, it was the same for
Gordon who could only watch Senderos attempt bounced past him into the
net.

Perhaps another way to deal with the situation, was to rush at Miller's
feet rather than getting back into position, but then again we had Gael
Clichy who was nearer and perhaps could do a bit better but perhaps
(another one) everybody was just caught out at that moment.

For the second goal, if you ever play in goal you would know the pace of
the ball would render you in no man's land if you decide to come out
for it. It was not a soft cross, it was whipped in at speed. That why
Jones managed to power the ball over the line despite Almunia's best
effort to keep it out.

You would be asking the same question if you are a Hammers fan, why
didn't Robert Green come for the cross that was converted by Van Persie
last week?

As for Adebayor, yes he did miss that one, but what about the header in
the 12th minute, which Gordon did well to keep it out. And he did
retrieve the ball and delivered it across the goal which Senderos
converted to increase the lead.

kT Gooner

--- In arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com, "Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)"
<choong.chee.chew@...> wrote:
>
> Everything works well except 2 thing
>
> 1 Almunia.. the first goal was his total wrong positioning.
> as for the 2nd,Shouldnt he come out to grap the cross when the
> sunderland striker was standing so near.Or seconfly his reaction is
abit
> slow after that header.top class like Cech or even lehman whould have
> save.
>
> 2 Adebayor ..Toward the end..And he never miss Missing clear chance
each
> game!
> His on a roll!

2b.

Re: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland

Posted by: "Ahmad Kama Muhammad" akamo7@yahoo.com   akamo7

Mon Oct 8, 2007 5:37 am (PST)

mmm ya lah..He miss it against Sunderland.....so what.Tevez miss alot more-Rooney miss alot too?Bebatov-Torres ha ha misses alot too last week...so what?? strange for you>?? and if you dare to check -he is EPL joint top scorer with Pompeys Benjani Mwawuwari---with 6 goals -and 5 for RVpersie...he gave Arsenal more depth and options in attack.......and he is towering big and strong and not easily intimidated..And he is the best in EPL at the moment......enough said.

"Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)" <choong.chee.chew@dhl.com> wrote: Everything works well except 2 thing

1 Almunia.. the first goal was his total wrong positioning.
as for the 2nd,Shouldnt he come out to grap the cross when the
sunderland striker was standing so near.Or seconfly his reaction is abit
slow after that header.top class like Cech or even lehman whould have
save.

2 Adebayor ..Toward the end..And he never miss Missing clear chance each
game!
His on a roll!

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From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Embi Telshine
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:39 AM
To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AFCSM: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland

10 in a row...wooohoooo!!!! Senderos scored! Good for him... But v
Persie's goals, wow!!!!

Diaby's goal should have been allowed. Mana ada ofsaid. Luckily Arsenal
still won, or it wud have been a lot more controversial.

And poor Hleb, again a victim of a reckless tackle...Red card was
justified.

tq,rgds
embi

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2c.

Re: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland

Posted by: "ggooofffyy" colinpal@yahoo.com   ggooofffyy

Mon Oct 8, 2007 8:56 pm (PST)

arsenal's win is definitely something to happy about and should be
celebrated.

however, the fact that sunderland (16th in the table standings with
only 2 wins) managed to score 2 goals at arsenal's home ground is
cause for concern, primary of which is the fact that arsenal took
their foot off the pedal once they went 2 goals up within the first
20 minutes. even in the interview with wenger, he acknowledged that
arsenal lost the sense of urgency after going 2 - 0 up. as one fellow
arsenal friend commented, the lack of respect for the opposition
could've cost us dear.

my other worry is also arsenal's defense that personally, doesn't
look convincing to me, even though we've only let in 6 goals this
season. no doubt that toure is defensive lynchpin and the key to
arsenal's defense, but i'm still yet to be convinced of horrenderos'
quality since the charity / community shield debacle, and i can't say
that i'm a big fan of gallas either. djourou has been loaned out to
birmingham which leaves us kinda short on central defenders.

worries despite the joys for me.. i just wonder whether anyone feels
the same way, or is it just me?

-glucolin

2d.

Balasan: RE: AFCSM: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland

Posted by: "Mahendran Velu" mahen.konnas@yahoo.com.my   mahen.konnas

Mon Oct 8, 2007 8:56 pm (PST)

in my point of view there is no worst player in this current squad,doesnt matter if ade nvr score but he do contribute and create chances to score rite?sanderos goal was initiated by ade,he do contribute a lot chances to other players to score,he's not selfish player..sanderos is doing fine its all depend on form..cant expect the players to play well all the time,pak leman is world class player,but he do some silly mistakes,there is some factor that can cause out of form it doesnt mean that they r not good..just look at the individual sports ie badminton,tennis,golf etc..tiger didnt win all the tour,as well as lin dan in b.ton or roger federer in tennis.doesnt mean they are not good if they lose some tournament rite.
i just love all the players in our squad. bcoz they are our beloved GUNNERS..
Love Arsenal 4ever.

Ahmad Kama Muhammad <akamo7@yahoo.com> wrote:
mmm ya lah..He miss it against Sunderland.....so what.Tevez miss alot more-Rooney miss alot too?Bebatov-Torres ha ha misses alot too last week...so what?? strange for you>?? and if you dare to check -he is EPL joint top scorer with Pompeys Benjani Mwawuwari---with 6 goals -and 5 for RVpersie...he gave Arsenal more depth and options in attack.......and he is towering big and strong and not easily intimidated..And he is the best in EPL at the moment......enough said.

"Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)" <choong.chee.chew@dhl.com> wrote: Everything works well except 2 thing

1 Almunia.. the first goal was his total wrong positioning.
as for the 2nd,Shouldnt he come out to grap the cross when the
sunderland striker was standing so near.Or seconfly his reaction is abit
slow after that header.top class like Cech or even lehman whould have
save.

2 Adebayor ..Toward the end..And he never miss Missing clear chance each
game!
His on a roll!

________________________________

From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Embi Telshine
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:39 AM
To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AFCSM: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland

10 in a row...wooohoooo!!!! Senderos scored! Good for him... But v
Persie's goals, wow!!!!

Diaby's goal should have been allowed. Mana ada ofsaid. Luckily Arsenal
still won, or it wud have been a lot more controversial.

And poor Hleb, again a victim of a reckless tackle...Red card was
justified.

tq,rgds
embi

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2e.

Re: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland

Posted by: "ggooofffyy" colinpal@yahoo.com   ggooofffyy

Mon Oct 8, 2007 8:56 pm (PST)

honestly, i really thought wenger had made a mistake when he first
bought adebayor last season. he was missing more than he scored and i
personally felt that he should've put away the higher percentage of
the chances that he had.

however, i have to admit that he has been a vastly improved player
this season and he is doing what i'd hoped he'd do... put away a
higher percentage of the chances that he has. another aspect that i
believe he has brought to the team is that he's always willing to
setup a team mate for a chance and his movement off the ball causes
opposing defenses a lot of grief.

so i think it would be unfair to totally vilify him just because he
missed that one on one chance against sunderland. even the great
thierry henry missed quite a few chances in his arsenal
days.......... but i still can't shake off that feeling that i wish
that adebayor would put away more of those easy chances........but as
long as arsenal wins and he's done his part, i guess i can't
complain........too much.... =)

-glucolin

--- In arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com, Ahmad Kama Muhammad <akamo7@...>
wrote:
>
> mmm ya lah..He miss it against Sunderland.....so what.Tevez miss
alot more-Rooney miss alot too?Bebatov-Torres ha ha misses alot too
last week...so what?? strange for you>?? and if you dare to check -he
is EPL joint top scorer with Pompeys Benjani Mwawuwari---with 6
goals -and 5 for RVpersie...he gave Arsenal more depth and options in
attack.......and he is towering big and strong and not easily
intimidated..And he is the best in EPL at the moment......enough said.
>
> "Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)" <choong.chee.chew@...> wrote:
Everything works well except 2 thing
>
> 1 Almunia.. the first goal was his total wrong positioning.
> as for the 2nd,Shouldnt he come out to grap the cross when the
> sunderland striker was standing so near.Or seconfly his reaction is
abit
> slow after that header.top class like Cech or even lehman whould
have
> save.
>
> 2 Adebayor ..Toward the end..And he never miss Missing clear chance
each
> game!
> His on a roll!
>
>

2f.

Re: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland

Posted by: "Yihfen" yihfen_84@yahoo.com   yihfen_84

Mon Oct 8, 2007 10:05 pm (PST)

youngsters lost concentration after early 2-0 lead... and gave the chance for sunderland to come back... anyway, hope youngsters can learn a lesson from tat match and don't repeat the same mistake again..

Gunners forever!

ggooofffyy <colinpal@yahoo.com> wrote:
arsenal's win is definitely something to happy about and should be
celebrated.

however, the fact that sunderland (16th in the table standings with
only 2 wins) managed to score 2 goals at arsenal's home ground is
cause for concern, primary of which is the fact that arsenal took
their foot off the pedal once they went 2 goals up within the first
20 minutes. even in the interview with wenger, he acknowledged that
arsenal lost the sense of urgency after going 2 - 0 up. as one fellow
arsenal friend commented, the lack of respect for the opposition
could've cost us dear.

my other worry is also arsenal's defense that personally, doesn't
look convincing to me, even though we've only let in 6 goals this
season. no doubt that toure is defensive lynchpin and the key to
arsenal's defense, but i'm still yet to be convinced of horrenderos'
quality since the charity / community shield debacle, and i can't say
that i'm a big fan of gallas either. djourou has been loaned out to
birmingham which leaves us kinda short on central defenders.

worries despite the joys for me.. i just wonder whether anyone feels
the same way, or is it just me?

-glucolin

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2g.

Re: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland

Posted by: "Azril Isha" azril@sittatt.com.my   arsenal141072

Mon Oct 8, 2007 10:15 pm (PST)

Sanderos was actually having difficulties to contain jones who has similar
style as Drogba.he almost lost all the high balls which I think djourou and
Gilberto excel in that area.. having said that, I still believe sanderos can
be as good as Adams.

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From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Yihfen
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:06 PM
To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: AFCSM: Re: Arsenal 3-2 Sunderland

youngsters lost concentration after early 2-0 lead... and gave the chance
for sunderland to come back... anyway, hope youngsters can learn a lesson
from tat match and don't repeat the same mistake again..

Gunners forever!

ggooofffyy <colinpal@yahoo. <mailto:colinpal%40yahoo.com> com> wrote:
arsenal's win is definitely something to happy about and should be
celebrated.

however, the fact that sunderland (16th in the table standings with
only 2 wins) managed to score 2 goals at arsenal's home ground is
cause for concern, primary of which is the fact that arsenal took
their foot off the pedal once they went 2 goals up within the first
20 minutes. even in the interview with wenger, he acknowledged that
arsenal lost the sense of urgency after going 2 - 0 up. as one fellow
arsenal friend commented, the lack of respect for the opposition
could've cost us dear.

my other worry is also arsenal's defense that personally, doesn't
look convincing to me, even though we've only let in 6 goals this
season. no doubt that toure is defensive lynchpin and the key to
arsenal's defense, but i'm still yet to be convinced of horrenderos'
quality since the charity / community shield debacle, and i can't say
that i'm a big fan of gallas either. djourou has been loaned out to
birmingham which leaves us kinda short on central defenders.

worries despite the joys for me.. i just wonder whether anyone feels
the same way, or is it just me?

-glucolin

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3.1.

Re: Worst Arsenal Player

Posted by: "Berg Battusai" aeroberg@gmail.com   kinfai01

Mon Oct 8, 2007 4:40 am (PST)

richard wright anyone? hahahaha....correct me if im wrong but i think the
only arsenal keeper to conceed for against charlton....haha

On 08/10/2007, Kar Heng Chew <karheng83@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Eh sugu, u forgot...Champions League Hattrick Hero Parlour! hehehe
>
> To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.comFrom <arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.comFrom>:
> sukumar.krishnan@mys.fujixerox.comDate<sukumar.krishnan%40mys.fujixerox.comDate>:
> Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:01:38 +0800Subject: AFCSM: Worst Arsenal Player
>
> Caesar joined us in August 82 , playing for the Gunners youth side, His
> first team debut was away to Man Utd in Dec 85. Arsenal kept a clean sheet
> and we won 1-0. He mostly was a bit-part player, in fact had the nickname
> "the five minute man". However, was called up for the England U21 side in in
> 87 and earned a few England caps Remember he was a nervy and unconfident
> player, whenever one-on-one with forwards, and prone to making high-profile
> mistakes.Yes, Anand you are right his most infamous match was the 88
> League Cup Final Vs Luton at Old Wembley.We were 2-1 up with ten minutes
> in total domination of match and with seven minutes left, Caesar, miskicked
> a clearance from his own penalty area allowing Luton's Danny Wilson to score
> and open goal in the remaining few minutes of chaos; Luton went on to score
> a last-minute winner and Arsenal lost 3-2.After that, He became so
> unpopular with Arsenal fans that some of them booed him when he did take to
> the field. Yes he is regarded by many as one of the club's worst-ever
> players.Next in Line, Kaba Diawara he came if not mistaken during Wenger's
> early year played 10 or 12 games 0 goals, repeated the feat forBlackburn in
> 2001 - 2002 few games also no goals, so only striker to play fro 2 EPL Clubs
> without scoring a single goal, but a tough,mean and solid looking strikerBut
> Anand really Gilberto............................ as far as I know you were
> the only one who has been condemning him since 2003But I am sure its a bit
> too much flak for a player who scored 10 premiership goals last seasonAnd at
> one time last season we struggled if he was injured or suspendedAnd FA Cup
> Winning goal Parlour................ you are joking
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4.

au revoir

Posted by: "piss_baron" piss_baron@yahoo.com   piss_baron

Mon Oct 8, 2007 8:56 pm (PST)

congrates to arsenal with magnificent line up such
hleb,flamini,persie,fabregas and adebayor.and a miss out from toure,
that was owwwful shot and roy keane will f**k out if its a goal

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