Friday, September 28, 2007

AFCSM: Digest Number 2404

Messages In This Digest (13 Messages)

1a.
Usmanov again From: Yippy
1b.
Re: Usmanov again From: Sigi vanilli
1c.
Re: Usmanov again From: Anandan, Kaviraj
1d.
Re: Usmanov again From: Berg Battusai
1e.
Re: Usmanov again From: Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)
1f.
Re: Usmanov again From: Berg Battusai
1g.
Re: Usmanov again From: mahendran mahen
1h.
Re: Usmanov again From: Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)
1i.
Re: Usmanov again From: K. Anand
1j.
Re: Usmanov again From: Norshah @ Mann
1k.
Re: Usmanov again From: Azril Isha
1l.
Re: Usmanov again From: Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)
1m.
Re: Usmanov again From: Anandan, Kaviraj

Messages

1a.

Usmanov again

Posted by: "Yippy" kcheong@uk.ey.com   kycheong6

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:31 am (PST)

Gooners

As I suspected, he is in for Arsenal's money. He knows the club is
going to flourish and having a controlling/influential stake where
he can call for a dividend is his way of taking money out of Arsenal.

Instead of a full takeover and get logged into a battle with the
Arsenal Board, he is playing it smart. I would love to find out how
much you need to hold in Arsenal before you have sufficient power to
throw your influence around.

Rest assure, a certain person removed from Arsenal not too long ago
would have fed the Russian with the info that Arsenal would be a
very rich club soon.

I have some bloggers reverting that Arsenal is small change compared
to what the Russian is valued at. That may be, but money makes more
money. With the kind of money Arsenal is making, he can drain some
of it out and when the time comes to sell his stake in the club, he
will still at the very least get back all his money spent to buy his
current (and future) shareholding.

The return to DD is possibly a seat in the Board. Again, that would
depend on what is stated in the Memorandum and Articles. But I am
sure 100% is not required to put someone on the Board.

Usmanov differs from Roman because the former became the latter
bought into Chelski when they needed money most, whereas Usmanov
bought into Arsenal at a time when they are loaded with cash.

I am not criticising his method of making money as buying into
Arsenal is the same as us investment in profitable companies to make
money although some spare dosh would be very much welcomed for my
part. I am coming from the Arsenal angle where I would like the
money to stay with Arsenal so that Le Boss can use it to make the
club better. I am selfish in that sense for I want Arsenal to
become the best and money can help to achieve that although a
visionary boss is another.

Unless I have a billionaire uncle/auntie who suddenly appears from
nowhere and allows me unlimited access to his/her bank account, I
can only hope Usmanov's involvement does not cripple the club.

Gunner6

1b.

Re: Usmanov again

Posted by: "Sigi vanilli" sigivanilli@yahoo.co.uk   sigivanilli

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:24 pm (PST)

Dear Yippy

To add on to your views, the proposed take over by this Usmanov who is closely linked to the russian PM clearly shows that profits earned by arsenal FC are at risk to be channel to the russian government, a ploy by the government it seft. I believe Usmanov is just the front page with other russian behind him.
I have been following on Forbes for a long time, wat suprise me the most is I never heard of this guy? Is it logical that suddently we hear a billionaire of unknown is interested in buying our loved club? Most of us do smell a rot here?

Just look at the number of owners in the EPL, most of them have russion links..
Me as an ardent gonners fan would not like to see this guy taking over, we earned 70M last financial year...we might be deprived of funds for future development.
Another thing that bothers me recently, as we know that Ah Weng has extended his stay for 3 more years. In my opinion it is time for him to start looking for a potential successor to be groomed to inherent his quality. The person should be someone that understands the culture and love the club.
I feel a former player like Bergy would be suitable. Wat u guys think ?



Yippy <kcheong@uk.ey.com> wrote:
Gooners

As I suspected, he is in for Arsenal's money. He knows the club is
going to flourish and having a controlling/influential stake where
he can call for a dividend is his way of taking money out of Arsenal.

Instead of a full takeover and get logged into a battle with the
Arsenal Board, he is playing it smart. I would love to find out how
much you need to hold in Arsenal before you have sufficient power to
throw your influence around.

Rest assure, a certain person removed from Arsenal not too long ago
would have fed the Russian with the info that Arsenal would be a
very rich club soon.

I have some bloggers reverting that Arsenal is small change compared
to what the Russian is valued at. That may be, but money makes more
money. With the kind of money Arsenal is making, he can drain some
of it out and when the time comes to sell his stake in the club, he
will still at the very least get back all his money spent to buy his
current (and future) shareholding.

The return to DD is possibly a seat in the Board. Again, that would
depend on what is stated in the Memorandum and Articles. But I am
sure 100% is not required to put someone on the Board.

Usmanov differs from Roman because the former became the latter
bought into Chelski when they needed money most, whereas Usmanov
bought into Arsenal at a time when they are loaded with cash.

I am not criticising his method of making money as buying into
Arsenal is the same as us investment in profitable companies to make
money although some spare dosh would be very much welcomed for my
part. I am coming from the Arsenal angle where I would like the
money to stay with Arsenal so that Le Boss can use it to make the
club better. I am selfish in that sense for I want Arsenal to
become the best and money can help to achieve that although a
visionary boss is another.

Unless I have a billionaire uncle/auntie who suddenly appears from
nowhere and allows me unlimited access to his/her bank account, I
can only hope Usmanov's involvement does not cripple the club.

Gunner6

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1c.

Re: Usmanov again

Posted by: "Anandan, Kaviraj" kaviraj.anandan@spansion.com   dr_chaos19

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:45 pm (PST)

Actually, the potential successor topic is darn interesting one. We have
to agree that Arsene cant go on forever. I wonder who would be the best
replacement for the boss.
Bergie would be a nice touch, but question would be. Would he want to ?
And would it be a good move to immediately put him at a club like
Arsenal ?
What you guys think?

________________________________

From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sigi vanilli
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:18 AM
To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: AFCSM: Usmanov again

Dear Yippy

To add on to your views, the proposed take over by this Usmanov who is
closely linked to the russian PM clearly shows that profits earned by
arsenal FC are at risk to be channel to the russian government, a ploy
by the government it seft. I believe Usmanov is just the front page with
other russian behind him.
I have been following on Forbes for a long time, wat suprise me the most
is I never heard of this guy? Is it logical that suddently we hear a
billionaire of unknown is interested in buying our loved club? Most of
us do smell a rot here?

Just look at the number of owners in the EPL, most of them have russion
links..
Me as an ardent gonners fan would not like to see this guy taking over,
we earned 70M last financial year...we might be deprived of funds for
future development.
Another thing that bothers me recently, as we know that Ah Weng has
extended his stay for 3 more years. In my opinion it is time for him to
start looking for a potential successor to be groomed to inherent his
quality. The person should be someone that understands the culture and
love the club.
I feel a former player like Bergy would be suitable. Wat u guys think ?

Yippy <kcheong@uk.ey.com <mailto:kcheong%40uk.ey.com> > wrote:
Gooners

As I suspected, he is in for Arsenal's money. He knows the club is
going to flourish and having a controlling/influential stake where
he can call for a dividend is his way of taking money out of Arsenal.

Instead of a full takeover and get logged into a battle with the
Arsenal Board, he is playing it smart. I would love to find out how
much you need to hold in Arsenal before you have sufficient power to
throw your influence around.

Rest assure, a certain person removed from Arsenal not too long ago
would have fed the Russian with the info that Arsenal would be a
very rich club soon.

I have some bloggers reverting that Arsenal is small change compared
to what the Russian is valued at. That may be, but money makes more
money. With the kind of money Arsenal is making, he can drain some
of it out and when the time comes to sell his stake in the club, he
will still at the very least get back all his money spent to buy his
current (and future) shareholding.

The return to DD is possibly a seat in the Board. Again, that would
depend on what is stated in the Memorandum and Articles. But I am
sure 100% is not required to put someone on the Board.

Usmanov differs from Roman because the former became the latter
bought into Chelski when they needed money most, whereas Usmanov
bought into Arsenal at a time when they are loaded with cash.

I am not criticising his method of making money as buying into
Arsenal is the same as us investment in profitable companies to make
money although some spare dosh would be very much welcomed for my
part. I am coming from the Arsenal angle where I would like the
money to stay with Arsenal so that Le Boss can use it to make the
club better. I am selfish in that sense for I want Arsenal to
become the best and money can help to achieve that although a
visionary boss is another.

Unless I have a billionaire uncle/auntie who suddenly appears from
nowhere and allows me unlimited access to his/her bank account, I
can only hope Usmanov's involvement does not cripple the club.

Gunner6

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1d.

Re: Usmanov again

Posted by: "Berg Battusai" aeroberg@gmail.com   kinfai01

Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:12 pm (PST)

Hi

I'm a very big fan of Bergkamp but need to note that through-out his career,
there was never a mention of his desire to coach or manage. He has led a
wonderful football life and he intends for it to end it that way.

If anyone of you have seen a copy of his ol' video you would know. Mine was
a VHS tape (haha...unfortunately...now its probably growing mushroom). He is
a guy who really appreciate the family values. Which is one of the reason he
got married, I think around when he was a 20-year-old. He said that when he
leaves football, that'll be for good. Plus I would think he lacks the
management skills, no doubt of the talent in the skills department of
course.

Personal choice of mine would be Mr Arsenal himself, Tony-I've got a very
big nose-Adams. Reason is that his current lifestyle is very much due to the
effect that Arsene has on him. Rejuvenated and reformed when Arsene came to
Arsenal. Changed his way of living and Tony began to learn the proper way of
managing a team. Harry is a good mentor to learn from as well.

It'll be a homecoming for him to return and takeover from Wenger. Crowds and
fans alike would receive this nomination with open arms. Even the players
will hold their utmost respect for him due to his past history within the
club.

So there you go. Tony Adams for me.

Rgds
Kinfai

On 28/09/2007, Anandan, Kaviraj <kaviraj.anandan@spansion.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, the potential successor topic is darn interesting one. We have
> to agree that Arsene cant go on forever. I wonder who would be the best
> replacement for the boss.
> Bergie would be a nice touch, but question would be. Would he want to ?
> And would it be a good move to immediately put him at a club like
> Arsenal ?
> What you guys think?
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com <arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com <arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Sigi vanilli
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:18 AM
> To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com <arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: AFCSM: Usmanov again
>
> Dear Yippy
>
> To add on to your views, the proposed take over by this Usmanov who is
> closely linked to the russian PM clearly shows that profits earned by
> arsenal FC are at risk to be channel to the russian government, a ploy
> by the government it seft. I believe Usmanov is just the front page with
> other russian behind him.
> I have been following on Forbes for a long time, wat suprise me the most
> is I never heard of this guy? Is it logical that suddently we hear a
> billionaire of unknown is interested in buying our loved club? Most of
> us do smell a rot here?
>
> Just look at the number of owners in the EPL, most of them have russion
> links..
> Me as an ardent gonners fan would not like to see this guy taking over,
> we earned 70M last financial year...we might be deprived of funds for
> future development.
> Another thing that bothers me recently, as we know that Ah Weng has
> extended his stay for 3 more years. In my opinion it is time for him to
> start looking for a potential successor to be groomed to inherent his
> quality. The person should be someone that understands the culture and
> love the club.
> I feel a former player like Bergy would be suitable. Wat u guys think ?
>
> Yippy <kcheong@uk.ey.com <kcheong%40uk.ey.com> <mailto:kcheong%<kcheong%25>
> 40uk.ey.com> > wrote:
> Gooners
>
> As I suspected, he is in for Arsenal's money. He knows the club is
> going to flourish and having a controlling/influential stake where
> he can call for a dividend is his way of taking money out of Arsenal.
>
> Instead of a full takeover and get logged into a battle with the
> Arsenal Board, he is playing it smart. I would love to find out how
> much you need to hold in Arsenal before you have sufficient power to
> throw your influence around.
>
> Rest assure, a certain person removed from Arsenal not too long ago
> would have fed the Russian with the info that Arsenal would be a
> very rich club soon.
>
> I have some bloggers reverting that Arsenal is small change compared
> to what the Russian is valued at. That may be, but money makes more
> money. With the kind of money Arsenal is making, he can drain some
> of it out and when the time comes to sell his stake in the club, he
> will still at the very least get back all his money spent to buy his
> current (and future) shareholding.
>
> The return to DD is possibly a seat in the Board. Again, that would
> depend on what is stated in the Memorandum and Articles. But I am
> sure 100% is not required to put someone on the Board.
>
> Usmanov differs from Roman because the former became the latter
> bought into Chelski when they needed money most, whereas Usmanov
> bought into Arsenal at a time when they are loaded with cash.
>
> I am not criticising his method of making money as buying into
> Arsenal is the same as us investment in profitable companies to make
> money although some spare dosh would be very much welcomed for my
> part. I am coming from the Arsenal angle where I would like the
> money to stay with Arsenal so that Le Boss can use it to make the
> club better. I am selfish in that sense for I want Arsenal to
> become the best and money can help to achieve that although a
> visionary boss is another.
>
> Unless I have a billionaire uncle/auntie who suddenly appears from
> nowhere and allows me unlimited access to his/her bank account, I
> can only hope Usmanov's involvement does not cripple the club.
>
> Gunner6
>
> ---------------------------------
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>
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1e.

Re: Usmanov again

Posted by: "Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)" choong.chee.chew@dhl.com   beandybean

Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:12 pm (PST)

JOSE MOURINHO! THE SPECIAL ONE :)


________________________________

From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Anandan, Kaviraj
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:44 AM
To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: AFCSM: Usmanov again

Actually, the potential successor topic is darn interesting one. We have
to agree that Arsene cant go on forever. I wonder who would be the best
replacement for the boss.
Bergie would be a nice touch, but question would be. Would he want to ?
And would it be a good move to immediately put him at a club like
Arsenal ?
What you guys think?

________________________________

From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com <mailto:arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com <mailto:arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com>
] On
Behalf Of Sigi vanilli
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:18 AM
To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com <mailto:arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: AFCSM: Usmanov again

Dear Yippy

To add on to your views, the proposed take over by this Usmanov who is
closely linked to the russian PM clearly shows that profits earned by
arsenal FC are at risk to be channel to the russian government, a ploy
by the government it seft. I believe Usmanov is just the front page with
other russian behind him.
I have been following on Forbes for a long time, wat suprise me the most
is I never heard of this guy? Is it logical that suddently we hear a
billionaire of unknown is interested in buying our loved club? Most of
us do smell a rot here?

Just look at the number of owners in the EPL, most of them have russion
links..
Me as an ardent gonners fan would not like to see this guy taking over,
we earned 70M last financial year...we might be deprived of funds for
future development.
Another thing that bothers me recently, as we know that Ah Weng has
extended his stay for 3 more years. In my opinion it is time for him to
start looking for a potential successor to be groomed to inherent his
quality. The person should be someone that understands the culture and
love the club.
I feel a former player like Bergy would be suitable. Wat u guys think ?

Yippy <kcheong@uk.ey.com <mailto:kcheong%40uk.ey.com>
<mailto:kcheong%40uk.ey.com> > wrote:
Gooners

As I suspected, he is in for Arsenal's money. He knows the club is
going to flourish and having a controlling/influential stake where
he can call for a dividend is his way of taking money out of Arsenal.

Instead of a full takeover and get logged into a battle with the
Arsenal Board, he is playing it smart. I would love to find out how
much you need to hold in Arsenal before you have sufficient power to
throw your influence around.

Rest assure, a certain person removed from Arsenal not too long ago
would have fed the Russian with the info that Arsenal would be a
very rich club soon.

I have some bloggers reverting that Arsenal is small change compared
to what the Russian is valued at. That may be, but money makes more
money. With the kind of money Arsenal is making, he can drain some
of it out and when the time comes to sell his stake in the club, he
will still at the very least get back all his money spent to buy his
current (and future) shareholding.

The return to DD is possibly a seat in the Board. Again, that would
depend on what is stated in the Memorandum and Articles. But I am
sure 100% is not required to put someone on the Board.

Usmanov differs from Roman because the former became the latter
bought into Chelski when they needed money most, whereas Usmanov
bought into Arsenal at a time when they are loaded with cash.

I am not criticising his method of making money as buying into
Arsenal is the same as us investment in profitable companies to make
money although some spare dosh would be very much welcomed for my
part. I am coming from the Arsenal angle where I would like the
money to stay with Arsenal so that Le Boss can use it to make the
club better. I am selfish in that sense for I want Arsenal to
become the best and money can help to achieve that although a
visionary boss is another.

Unless I have a billionaire uncle/auntie who suddenly appears from
nowhere and allows me unlimited access to his/her bank account, I
can only hope Usmanov's involvement does not cripple the club.

Gunner6

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1f.

Re: Usmanov again

Posted by: "Berg Battusai" aeroberg@gmail.com   kinfai01

Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:27 pm (PST)

This is very very weird. Can't imagine that I would find myself agreeing
with you. Maurinho would indeed be a good choice.

On 28/09/2007, Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY) <choong.chee.chew@dhl.com> wrote:
>
> JOSE MOURINHO! THE SPECIAL ONE :)
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com <arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com <arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Anandan, Kaviraj
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:44 AM
> To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com <arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: AFCSM: Usmanov again
>
> Actually, the potential successor topic is darn interesting one. We have
> to agree that Arsene cant go on forever. I wonder who would be the best
> replacement for the boss.
> Bergie would be a nice touch, but question would be. Would he want to ?
> And would it be a good move to immediately put him at a club like
> Arsenal ?
> What you guys think?
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com <arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com <arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com>
> ] On
> Behalf Of Sigi vanilli
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:18 AM
> To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com <arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: AFCSM: Usmanov again
>
> Dear Yippy
>
> To add on to your views, the proposed take over by this Usmanov who is
> closely linked to the russian PM clearly shows that profits earned by
> arsenal FC are at risk to be channel to the russian government, a ploy
> by the government it seft. I believe Usmanov is just the front page with
> other russian behind him.
> I have been following on Forbes for a long time, wat suprise me the most
> is I never heard of this guy? Is it logical that suddently we hear a
> billionaire of unknown is interested in buying our loved club? Most of
> us do smell a rot here?
>
> Just look at the number of owners in the EPL, most of them have russion
> links..
> Me as an ardent gonners fan would not like to see this guy taking over,
> we earned 70M last financial year...we might be deprived of funds for
> future development.
> Another thing that bothers me recently, as we know that Ah Weng has
> extended his stay for 3 more years. In my opinion it is time for him to
> start looking for a potential successor to be groomed to inherent his
> quality. The person should be someone that understands the culture and
> love the club.
> I feel a former player like Bergy would be suitable. Wat u guys think ?
>
> Yippy <kcheong@uk.ey.com <kcheong%40uk.ey.com> <mailto:kcheong%<kcheong%25>
> 40uk.ey.com>
> <mailto:kcheong% <kcheong%25>40uk.ey.com> > wrote:
> Gooners
>
> As I suspected, he is in for Arsenal's money. He knows the club is
> going to flourish and having a controlling/influential stake where
> he can call for a dividend is his way of taking money out of Arsenal.
>
> Instead of a full takeover and get logged into a battle with the
> Arsenal Board, he is playing it smart. I would love to find out how
> much you need to hold in Arsenal before you have sufficient power to
> throw your influence around.
>
> Rest assure, a certain person removed from Arsenal not too long ago
> would have fed the Russian with the info that Arsenal would be a
> very rich club soon.
>
> I have some bloggers reverting that Arsenal is small change compared
> to what the Russian is valued at. That may be, but money makes more
> money. With the kind of money Arsenal is making, he can drain some
> of it out and when the time comes to sell his stake in the club, he
> will still at the very least get back all his money spent to buy his
> current (and future) shareholding.
>
> The return to DD is possibly a seat in the Board. Again, that would
> depend on what is stated in the Memorandum and Articles. But I am
> sure 100% is not required to put someone on the Board.
>
> Usmanov differs from Roman because the former became the latter
> bought into Chelski when they needed money most, whereas Usmanov
> bought into Arsenal at a time when they are loaded with cash.
>
> I am not criticising his method of making money as buying into
> Arsenal is the same as us investment in profitable companies to make
> money although some spare dosh would be very much welcomed for my
> part. I am coming from the Arsenal angle where I would like the
> money to stay with Arsenal so that Le Boss can use it to make the
> club better. I am selfish in that sense for I want Arsenal to
> become the best and money can help to achieve that although a
> visionary boss is another.
>
> Unless I have a billionaire uncle/auntie who suddenly appears from
> nowhere and allows me unlimited access to his/her bank account, I
> can only hope Usmanov's involvement does not cripple the club.
>
> Gunner6
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.
>
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1g.

Re: Usmanov again

Posted by: "mahendran mahen" mahen_velu@hotmail.com

Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:48 pm (PST)


Yeah we must accept the fact that mr wenger cant carry on as The Boss 4 ever,
there is the end 4 eveything.. but i would like to see wenger to b incharge for decades,
he loves the club the fan the support from the board and importantly the great commitment of
his young and world class players...
my only hope is who ever take over the club,kroenke ke usmanov ke bill gates ke samy velu ke
dont interfere in wengers job,let him do his job wit out any campur tangan from the board.
like to c former gunner 2 take over as the boss in future..bergy ke parlour ke (henry??) ke.
david seamen ke..who ever la as long as a former gunners..

Les GUN Down THE Hammers ...
HAIL THE GUNNERS!!





To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.comFrom: kaviraj.anandan@spansion.comDate: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:43:51 +0800Subject: RE: AFCSM: Usmanov again

Actually, the potential successor topic is darn interesting one. We haveto agree that Arsene cant go on forever. I wonder who would be the bestreplacement for the boss. Bergie would be a nice touch, but question would be. Would he want to ?And would it be a good move to immediately put him at a club likeArsenal ?What you guys think?________________________________From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of Sigi vanilliSent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:18 AMTo: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: AFCSM: Usmanov againDear YippyTo add on to your views, the proposed take over by this Usmanov who isclosely linked to the russian PM clearly shows that profits earned byarsenal FC are at risk to be channel to the russian government, a ployby the government it seft. I believe Usmanov is just the front page withother russian behind him.I have been following on Forbes for a long time, wat suprise me the mostis I never heard of this guy? Is it logical that suddently we hear abillionaire of unknown is interested in buying our loved club? Most ofus do smell a rot here?Just look at the number of owners in the EPL, most of them have russionlinks..Me as an ardent gonners fan would not like to see this guy taking over,we earned 70M last financial year...we might be deprived of funds forfuture development.Another thing that bothers me recently, as we know that Ah Weng hasextended his stay for 3 more years. In my opinion it is time for him tostart looking for a potential successor to be groomed to inherent hisquality. The person should be someone that understands the culture andlove the club.I feel a former player like Bergy would be suitable. Wat u guys think ? Yippy <kcheong@uk.ey.com <mailto:kcheong%40uk.ey.com> > wrote:GoonersAs I suspected, he is in for Arsenal's money. He knows the club is going to flourish and having a controlling/influential stake where he can call for a dividend is his way of taking money out of Arsenal.Instead of a full takeover and get logged into a battle with the Arsenal Board, he is playing it smart. I would love to find out how much you need to hold in Arsenal before you have sufficient power to throw your influence around.Rest assure, a certain person removed from Arsenal not too long ago would have fed the Russian with the info that Arsenal would be a very rich club soon.I have some bloggers reverting that Arsenal is small change compared to what the Russian is valued at. That may be, but money makes more money. With the kind of money Arsenal is making, he can drain some of it out and when the time comes to sell his stake in the club, he will still at the very least get back all his money spent to buy his current (and future) shareholding.The return to DD is possibly a seat in the Board. Again, that would depend on what is stated in the Memorandum and Articles. But I am sure 100% is not required to put someone on the Board.Usmanov differs from Roman because the former became the latter bought into Chelski when they needed money most, whereas Usmanov bought into Arsenal at a time when they are loaded with cash.I am not criticising his method of making money as buying into Arsenal is the same as us investment in profitable companies to make money although some spare dosh would be very much welcomed for my part. I am coming from the Arsenal angle where I would like the money to stay with Arsenal so that Le Boss can use it to make the club better. I am selfish in that sense for I want Arsenal to become the best and money can help to achieve that although a visionary boss is another.Unless I have a billionaire uncle/auntie who suddenly appears from nowhere and allows me unlimited access to his/her bank account, I can only hope Usmanov's involvement does not cripple the club.Gunner6---------------------------------Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: Usmanov again

Posted by: "Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)" choong.chee.chew@dhl.com   beandybean

Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:48 pm (PST)

this guy cant travel.. so he is out



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From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Berg Battusai
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:03 AM
To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: AFCSM: Usmanov again

Hi

I'm a very big fan of Bergkamp but need to note that through-out his
career, there was never a mention of his desire to coach or manage. He has led a wonderful football life and he intends for it to end it that way.

If anyone of you have seen a copy of his ol' video you would know. Mine was a VHS tape (haha...unfortunately...now its probably growing mushroom).
He is a guy who really appreciate the family values. Which is one of the reason he got married, I think around when he was a 20-year-old. He said that when he leaves football, that'll be for good. Plus I would think he lacks the management skills, no doubt of the talent in the skills department of course.

Personal choice of mine would be Mr Arsenal himself, Tony-I've got a
very big nose-Adams. Reason is that his current lifestyle is very much due to the effect that Arsene has on him. Rejuvenated and reformed when Arsene came to Arsenal. Changed his way of living and Tony began to learn the proper way of managing a team. Harry is a good mentor to learn from as well.

It'll be a homecoming for him to return and takeover from Wenger. Crowds and fans alike would receive this nomination with open arms. Even the players will hold their utmost respect for him due to his past history within the club.

So there you go. Tony Adams for me.

Rgds
Kinfai

On 28/09/2007, Anandan, Kaviraj <kaviraj.anandan@spansion.com
<mailto:kaviraj.anandan%40spansion.com> > wrote:
>
> Actually, the potential successor topic is darn interesting one. We
have to agree that Arsene cant go on forever. I wonder who would be the best replacement for the boss.

> Bergie would be a nice touch, but question would be. Would he want to?
> And would it be a good move to immediately put him at a club like
> Arsenal ?
> What you guys think?
>

1i.

Re: Usmanov again

Posted by: "K. Anand" anand_k_pillai@yahoo.co.uk   anand_k_pillai

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:14 pm (PST)

A very good point Mr Choong. Thanks for pointing that out to us. See folks, let's not doubt that he is a true Arsenal fan . . . but with a stubborn opinion on a certain player. ;-) (just kidding ya, Choong) :-)

He is right, Bergkamp does not fly! :-)

No team in Europe would want him in their senior team coaching set-up, but he can probably help out with the kids...15 and below, cos they would be eager to learn a lot from him, . . . and they don't travel far! ;-)

I almost wanted to write "no team in the world", but he wouldn't be able to get anywhere else in the world anyway, so no point mentioning about clubs outside Europe! :-)

My vote was, is and forever will be, TONY ADAMS, who as Kin Fai has already mentioned is Mr ARSENAL himself.

He has played (and learnt by observation), as well as now learning directly, from at least 3 top managers, 2 of which are multiple championship-winning managers - George Graham, Arsene Wenger and Harry Rednapp (I don't have to remind who are the 2 champion managers, I'm sure). ;-)

So, he's got the whole man management, psychology (from his own experience), fitness (after studying sports science following his retirement from Arsenal), defence, creative play and attack aspects of the game in his system after all these years.

Not to mention his leadership qualities as Arsenal captain (since he was 18, mind you! The youngest captain ever, probably) and England captain (leading England to semis at Euro96).

All he needs, if he doesn't already have it, is the UEFA qualification (which Avram now lacks), and he is ready to take over Wenger.

But aren't we all forgetting someone who may be the obvious successor.

I know we all like and respect him for all his contributions to the club. He was also a double-captain for club and country, Northern Ireland. And he also retired at Arsenal...but of course in those days, the transfer market was not as crazy as it is these days and homegrown players tended to stay in the same club throughout their career.

He is none other than PAT RICE!

He too has gained from the 10 years under Wenger, and probably was in the club during the Graham years as well, but not as prominent. And he was a solid centreback like Adams.

So, we have two possible candidates. I believe the club would be in safe hands, whichever of the two takes the job when Wenger finally retires or leaves to manage any one of the following - France, Russia, Japan, USA, Australia or a rich Arab country.

Thanks. Take care and God bless

Regards,
Anand

GOONER for Life . . . and beyond!

"Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)" <choong.chee.chew@dhl.com> wrote: this guy cant travel.. so he is out
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From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Berg Battusai
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:03 AM
To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: AFCSM: Usmanov again

Hi

I'm a very big fan of Bergkamp but need to note that through-out his
career, there was never a mention of his desire to coach or manage. He has led a wonderful football life and he intends for it to end it that way.

If anyone of you have seen a copy of his ol' video you would know. Mine was a VHS tape (haha...unfortunately...now its probably growing mushroom).
He is a guy who really appreciate the family values. Which is one of the reason he got married, I think around when he was a 20-year-old. He said that when he leaves football, that'll be for good. Plus I would think he lacks the management skills, no doubt of the talent in the skills department of course.

Personal choice of mine would be Mr Arsenal himself, Tony-I've got a
very big nose-Adams. Reason is that his current lifestyle is very much due to the effect that Arsene has on him. Rejuvenated and reformed when Arsene came to Arsenal. Changed his way of living and Tony began to learn the proper way of managing a team. Harry is a good mentor to learn from as well.

It'll be a homecoming for him to return and takeover from Wenger. Crowds and fans alike would receive this nomination with open arms. Even the players will hold their utmost respect for him due to his past history within the club.

So there you go. Tony Adams for me.

Rgds
Kinfai


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Re: Usmanov again

Posted by: "Norshah @ Mann" knowshah75@yahoo.com   knowshah75

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:17 pm (PST)

How about Tony Adams... eventually he has a good track to be good manager as he is asst manager at Pompey rite now...

Rgds,
Shah

----- Original Message ----
From: Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY) <choong.chee.chew@dhl.com>

this guy cant travel.. so he is out

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Berg Battusai

Hi

I'm a very big fan of Bergkamp but need to note that through-out his

career, there was never a mention of his desire to coach or manage. He has led a wonderful football life and he intends for it to end it that way.

If anyone of you have seen a copy of his ol' video you would know. Mine was a VHS tape (haha...unfortunate ly...now its probably growing mushroom).

He is a guy who really appreciate the family values. Which is one of the reason he got married, I think around when he was a 20-year-old. He said that when he leaves football, that'll be for good. Plus I would think he lacks the management skills, no doubt of the talent in the skills department of course.

Personal choice of mine would be Mr Arsenal himself, Tony-I've got a

very big nose-Adams. Reason is that his current lifestyle is very much due to the effect that Arsene has on him. Rejuvenated and reformed when Arsene came to Arsenal. Changed his way of living and Tony began to learn the proper way of managing a team. Harry is a good mentor to learn from as well.

It'll be a homecoming for him to return and takeover from Wenger. Crowds and fans alike would receive this nomination with open arms. Even the players will hold their utmost respect for him due to his past history within the club.

So there you go. Tony Adams for me.

Rgds
Kinfai

1k.

Re: Usmanov again

Posted by: "Azril Isha" azril@sittatt.com.my   arsenal141072

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:38 pm (PST)

I can't see Pat Rice wearing suit during the games:-).he may be good as 2nd
boss just like sammy lee at Bolton.anyway who knows.later on with Adams n
Brady in the team, it will be excellent..

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From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of K. Anand
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:14 PM
To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: AFCSM: Usmanov again

A very good point Mr Choong. Thanks for pointing that out to us. See folks,
let's not doubt that he is a true Arsenal fan . . . but with a stubborn
opinion on a certain player. ;-) (just kidding ya, Choong) :-)

He is right, Bergkamp does not fly! :-)

No team in Europe would want him in their senior team coaching set-up, but
he can probably help out with the kids...15 and below, cos they would be
eager to learn a lot from him, . . . and they don't travel far! ;-)

I almost wanted to write "no team in the world", but he wouldn't be able to
get anywhere else in the world anyway, so no point mentioning about clubs
outside Europe! :-)

My vote was, is and forever will be, TONY ADAMS, who as Kin Fai has already
mentioned is Mr ARSENAL himself.

He has played (and learnt by observation), as well as now learning directly,
from at least 3 top managers, 2 of which are multiple championship-winning
managers - George Graham, Arsene Wenger and Harry Rednapp (I don't have to
remind who are the 2 champion managers, I'm sure). ;-)

So, he's got the whole man management, psychology (from his own experience),
fitness (after studying sports science following his retirement from
Arsenal), defence, creative play and attack aspects of the game in his
system after all these years.

Not to mention his leadership qualities as Arsenal captain (since he was 18,
mind you! The youngest captain ever, probably) and England captain (leading
England to semis at Euro96).

All he needs, if he doesn't already have it, is the UEFA qualification
(which Avram now lacks), and he is ready to take over Wenger.

But aren't we all forgetting someone who may be the obvious successor.

I know we all like and respect him for all his contributions to the club. He
was also a double-captain for club and country, Northern Ireland. And he
also retired at Arsenal...but of course in those days, the transfer market
was not as crazy as it is these days and homegrown players tended to stay in
the same club throughout their career.

He is none other than PAT RICE!

He too has gained from the 10 years under Wenger, and probably was in the
club during the Graham years as well, but not as prominent. And he was a
solid centreback like Adams.

So, we have two possible candidates. I believe the club would be in safe
hands, whichever of the two takes the job when Wenger finally retires or
leaves to manage any one of the following - France, Russia, Japan, USA,
Australia or a rich Arab country.

Thanks. Take care and God bless

Regards,
Anand

GOONER for Life . . . and beyond!

"Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)" <choong.chee.
<mailto:choong.chee.chew%40dhl.com> chew@dhl.com> wrote: this guy cant
travel.. so he is out
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From: arsenal-my@yahoogro <mailto:arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
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On
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Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:03 AM
To: arsenal-my@yahoogro <mailto:arsenal-my%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
Subject: Re: AFCSM: Usmanov again

Hi

I'm a very big fan of Bergkamp but need to note that through-out his
career, there was never a mention of his desire to coach or manage. He has
led a wonderful football life and he intends for it to end it that way.

If anyone of you have seen a copy of his ol' video you would know. Mine was
a VHS tape (haha...unfortunately...now its probably growing mushroom).
He is a guy who really appreciate the family values. Which is one of the
reason he got married, I think around when he was a 20-year-old. He said
that when he leaves football, that'll be for good. Plus I would think he
lacks the management skills, no doubt of the talent in the skills department
of course.

Personal choice of mine would be Mr Arsenal himself, Tony-I've got a
very big nose-Adams. Reason is that his current lifestyle is very much due
to the effect that Arsene has on him. Rejuvenated and reformed when Arsene
came to Arsenal. Changed his way of living and Tony began to learn the
proper way of managing a team. Harry is a good mentor to learn from as well.

It'll be a homecoming for him to return and takeover from Wenger. Crowds and
fans alike would receive this nomination with open arms. Even the players
will hold their utmost respect for him due to his past history within the
club.

So there you go. Tony Adams for me.

Rgds
Kinfai

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Re: Usmanov again

Posted by: "Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)" choong.chee.chew@dhl.com   beandybean

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:43 am (PST)

All those mention from Pat Rice to Adams are great Gunners and no doubt
may be good managers someday

But Arsene is something special and we need something special to
replace..like that 'Special one'

Afterall this guy got enormous charisma that will keep us entertain and
no doubt his a winner who just want to win like Wenger.

Would be Joy to see him arrive someday.

1m.

Re: Usmanov again

Posted by: "Anandan, Kaviraj" kaviraj.anandan@spansion.com   dr_chaos19

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:53 am (PST)

Well,
In all fairness, when Arsene took over Arsenal, he was a "Arsene Who"
person. He was not well known, let alone special. But with a name like
that, I would like to think that he just belongs to the club.
hehhehehehe.
Mounrinho, as I mentioned in one of my previous post, is a great
manager. He does have that enormous charisma, but I do have a problem
with his attitude over football in general. Blaming the referee,
negative football, hypocrisy.


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From: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Choong Chee Chew (DHL MY)
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:27 PM
To: arsenal-my@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: AFCSM: Usmanov again

All those mention from Pat Rice to Adams are great Gunners and no doubt
may be good managers someday

But Arsene is something special and we need something special to
replace..like that 'Special one'

Afterall this guy got enormous charisma that will keep us entertain and
no doubt his a winner who just want to win like Wenger.

Would be Joy to see him arrive someday.

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